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	<title>Comments on: ODTUG: My Non-Apex sessions</title>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jun 2008 07:25:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I get the same impression about Apex as anonymous. Everybody keeps saying that it is so hot, but why? Because there are +20 sessions at ODTUG or OpenWorld? Because +20 people blog about it? I meet with Oracle customers on a daily basis and besides some small applications or excel replacements, Apex is not even considered as an alternative to J2EE, .Net or even Forms (for large scale apps or with tight integration with client software).How many large scale APEX projects (for example &gt;1000 mandays or &gt; 1000 screens) did you already build or see?Off course APEX is capable of doing this, but in reality I don&#039;t see it. I know dozens of large scale implementations in J2EE, .Net or Forms. But not in APEX (or ADF by the way)...Oracle sales/marketing do NOT care about APEX (do they promote it as a large scale development platform? No, they promote is as an Excel replacement, for small applications and so on). This has a big influence on the decision makers...I don&#039;t see any indications that this will change in the near future, do you?It would be nice to discuss this with you...Regards,Steve]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I get the same impression about Apex as anonymous. Everybody keeps saying that it is so hot, but why? Because there are +20 sessions at ODTUG or OpenWorld? Because +20 people blog about it? I meet with Oracle customers on a daily basis and besides some small applications or excel replacements, Apex is not even considered as an alternative to J2EE, .Net or even Forms (for large scale apps or with tight integration with client software).How many large scale APEX projects (for example &gt;1000 mandays or &gt; 1000 screens) did you already build or see?Off course APEX is capable of doing this, but in reality I don&#8217;t see it. I know dozens of large scale implementations in J2EE, .Net or Forms. But not in APEX (or ADF by the way)&#8230;Oracle sales/marketing do NOT care about APEX (do they promote it as a large scale development platform? No, they promote is as an Excel replacement, for small applications and so on). This has a big influence on the decision makers&#8230;I don&#8217;t see any indications that this will change in the near future, do you?It would be nice to discuss this with you&#8230;Regards,Steve</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jun 2008 12:58:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I keep reading the APEX is hot -- but really what other Oracle tool is there? They have other editors and support many languages - but besides Oracle Forms - they have no other tools. Am I missing something here?If you are a Java developer - not likely you will go to ODTUG. If you are a Faces and ADF or whatever other 3 letter acronym languages, you are not likely to go to ODTUG or any other Oracle conference.*BUT* Apex still is just a play tool - build some small departmental systems, corporations just are not buying into the idea - all be it, I love the product myself.-Daryl]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I keep reading the APEX is hot &#8212; but really what other Oracle tool is there? They have other editors and support many languages &#8211; but besides Oracle Forms &#8211; they have no other tools. Am I missing something here?If you are a Java developer &#8211; not likely you will go to ODTUG. If you are a Faces and ADF or whatever other 3 letter acronym languages, you are not likely to go to ODTUG or any other Oracle conference.*BUT* Apex still is just a play tool &#8211; build some small departmental systems, corporations just are not buying into the idea &#8211; all be it, I love the product myself.-Daryl</p>
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